Pregnancy Nutrition and Healthy Children with Melinda Fouche, ND

Pregnancy nutrition is key to producing healthy and happy children. To understand what's key in periods of conception, pregnancy and raising children, we talked with Naturopath Melinda Fouche from the Fouche Institute to help us understand such vast topics as healthy pregnancy, the blood type diet, the debate over vaccines and how the baby is affected by everything that we take in and absorbed while pregnant and breastfeeding. She also shows us the incredible difference in visiting your medical doctor versus visiting your Naturopath. Thank you Melinda for your time and all the work you do with children! Your passion is truly inspirational! And remember, as with all interviews, this is an opinion, though very educated, take it all in and use what you can! A Votre Sante! (to your health!) Pregnancy Nutrition: One Size Does Not Fit All is a view of the basic building blocks taken from this article and Melinda's ideas. Ashley: Your passion is really working with developing healthy kids, so lets first start with that and then we’ll see where that takes us. How about that? I want to go with your passion!

Melinda: Okay, sounds good.

Ashley: And I’m sure some aspect of healthy kids can be dealt with newborns and infants, right?

Melinda: Oh, yes, I just love kids and they have no hidden agendas not to heal. So, it’s just wonderful working with them because their minds and emotions don’t get in the way.

Ashley: That’s beautiful, so lets start there, tell me about your work, what you do with kids.

Pregnancy Nutrition and Learning Disabilities?

Melinda: Well, I’m a Naturopathic Physician who couldn’t really do everything I was trained to do in the State of California, because they don’t license us. So, I went back to UC Irvine and studied Clinical Neuro-Physiology, because I had three children very close in age that all seemed to have challenges in school, that the schools could not help them with. And no one was giving me answers for, so I went back and studied the brain in ’88,’89 & ’90. And of course what we were learning back then was very non-alternative. And being that I had come out of a Naturopathic background, I was really frustrated there, but I felt that I needed to learn about the brain. And after going to school for a while, I just decided that I was in the wrong place, they were so in the box, at that point. Now, they have an alternative department there, but at that time they had absolutely no interest in alternative. And Professors were making fun of my desire to do research that wasn’t medically or pharmaceutically oriented. So, I went on to study with some of the researchers around the United States at that time that were doing EEG Neuro-feedback for kids that had learning disabilities and also with Dr. Dennison who discovered and developed Brain Gym. And with Dr. Ayres who had discovered and developed Sensory Integration work. And then went on to learn about Dr. Irlen’s work: Reading By The Colors, and just one thing led to another and pretty soon I realized that I was a specialist in learning disabilities and had all these skills at a time when there was no one doing that work. So, basically I ended up thinking well, since there’s nobody doing it, I’ll start working with kids. And my first clinic was actually a head injury and stroke clinic, but we took kids with learning disabilities as well, because at that time they weren’t being diagnosed as having Autism, or ADHD, they were just kind of all categorized as brain injured or developmentally delayed. So, we just had to find a way to re-classify them. So, of course as the years went by, we realized that there was such a thing as Autism, Aspergers, ADHD and the classic patients started getting clear definitions and diagnostic became available, and testing became more comprehensive and more easily definable. I’ve really watched the whole field evolve, it just went from trying to help my own kids, and trying to get what they needed into realizing that my passion was kids because the same program that I was using with kids, I was using with stroke and head injury patients and getting great results, but working with kids was so fun! So, that’s how it happened.

Ashley: You’ve got to follow the thing that’s most fun!

Melinda: Yeah.

Pregnacy Nutrition is the Proactive Approach

Ashley: So, tell me, tell mothers really: you’re starting off with a newborn, what do you need to know?

Melinda: Well, I think when a mom decides to get pregnant, she needs to become proactive and learn how to help her own body to be as healthy as she can, so she can prevent her children from being learning disabled. I really had to look back and say, “what was going on in my pregnancies at that time, that could have led to having three children with learning disabilities?” And very honestly I realized quickly that it was a combination of high stress I was under, I had them a little older, I was 36, 37 & 39. My husband was dieing, we were going through a recession. I was not eating carefully and conscientiously. I was a little anemic, I was hypothyroid. I was very, very exhausted from the standpoint of adrenal fatigue. And I came to the conclusion that when a mother is not in the best of health and under a high degree of stress and her doctor is not addressing the anemia, or the hypothyroid, or the stress, then those children, as they are developing, the fetal brain is so, so vulnerable during that time. I wasn’t taking any aspirin, and I wasn’t taking any drugs, but even back then I was drinking Diet Pepsi, and we now know that aspartame is extremely toxic to the fetal brain. And I think that a woman should be proactive even before she becomes pregnant. But during the pregnancy, her nutrition is the priority. If I were going through it again, I would have a hair analysis, which I tell the moms that come to me. I would have a hair analysis, I would make sure my nutrition was absolutely optimal, I would encourage, and I do encourage, but I would make sure I was not anemic, not hypothyroid. And that I was being given ways to better manage stress during pregnancy. And of course once the baby is born, the birth process itself: just making sure that it’s a gentle birth, that it’s a supported and loving birth. I had all mine natural, and I’m finding that women today are not going natural, which amazes me. They are so afraid of the pain, and we know that the drugs that they use to induce and the drugs they use for the pain all have some influence on the baby. We also know that a lot of moms aren’t breastfeeding, and that is so important, even if you can only do it for the first three-four weeks for the bonding and the colostrums and the protection for allergies and the immune support that gives the new babies. And then once the baby does go off the breast, if the mom can’t breastfeed, for me it was developing the right formula for the baby’s blood type. Making sure that baby, we test the baby’s blood and immediately if that baby’s a B we’ll put them on a whey or dairy formula. But if that baby is an O, we’re going to develop a formula for them that is compatible with their blood type. Or if they’re an A, I personally like goat’s milk, and I’ve developed goat’s milk formulas for lots of newborns. And then vaccines. I would never a child, but then I would not tell a mother not to vaccinate. But I would ask every mother to become informed, to wait until the baby’s immune system is developed and to not start the vaccines until the child’s at least one year old. And when they are given, to make sure they are separated and to make sure they are only given one vaccine at a time. And to make sure they are not full of thymerosol, which is mercury, and very toxic to the newborn, or young developing brain.

Vaccines vs. Pregnancy Nutrition and Healthy Immune Systems

Ashley: It was really interesting, I was just reading Jenny McCarthy’s book this weekend, I don’t know if you are familiar with her. But she had a son with Autism, and she was talking about the vaccines. What I found interesting was she was still a proponent of vaccines, but that there needed to be a test to see if the baby’s immune system was strong enough for the vaccines. Delay the vaccine, and then no mercury. It’s interesting the whole vaccine debate right now. Melinda: You know the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies are heavily invested in denying that those vaccines are causing problems. But when you look around the world at areas where they never had ADD, never had dyslexia, never had Autism, never had Aspergers, had very low incidences of brain injuries or developmental delays…But the minute vaccines were introduced to that country, then suddenly those problems started to develop there. Maybe it’s a coincidence. Maybe it’s just such an assault on the child’s immune system, maybe it’s the illness that result, because it is a live vaccine. Live viruses that are going into a baby with a very undeveloped immune system. Especially if that baby wasn’t vaccinated. We also know that boys are at a much, much greater risk, because of testosterone. It is actually the surge of testosterone that they get at 18 months that appears to coincide with the onset of Autism. And especially if they are vaccinated at the time of that surge when testosterone comes in. Girls appear to have some protection from estrogen.

Ashley: Hmm, that’s very interesting. And it is much more likely in boys, the Autism, right?

Melinda: Absolutely. It’s probably 10 to 1.

Ashley: There’s so much information here. And what’s interesting about this I was thinking this weekend, you know we all want to be in the best health. Have healthy kids, but there are so many different ideas of health and what’s healthy. So, how do we really know what our body really needs?

Melinda: Well, it is a very individual thing. And one of the things that I do with everybody, especially with babies is their blood type. I also test moms for their hair analysis to find out exactly what’s deficient, what’s toxic, etc. But with the baby, I generally go just with the blood type. And it’s a very simple test, I do it here in the clinic and we test their blood and then develop a nutritional program, from day 1 that’s compatible: first of all for their blood type. Later we may do some allergy testing and be more specific. When they get old enough to do the hair and we can certainly refine that, but with a newborn the key is starting them out right on a diet that’s compatible with their blood type so when you start introducing foods, you’re introducing the right foods, for that particular child!

Ashley: And what’s the difference between the blood types?

Melinda: The blood types are A, AB, O and B. And those are blood types that have evolved from this planet. Originally the O blood type, which was the hunter-gatherers and then the A, developed, which were the agricultural tribes that moved up and began to populate most of Northern Europe. And then the B blood type developed, and they were the Nomads, more of the Eskimos and the Indians and the people that moved across the Northern parts of the continent, the very cold parts of the continent. Then AB is the newest, and is mostly Asians, and now we’re seeing more and more of that as people are inter-marrying. It’s only like 3-5% of the population, but it will probably eventually be the primary blood type. But what happens is your digestive system is conditioned by your blood type. And foods that are not compatible with your blood type, and this is key to understanding the blood type diet. It is not the end-all. But foods that are not compatible with your blood type cause red blood cells to secrete all sorts of stickiness, and they clump together. And when they clump together it’s called agglutination. Just think of the word glue and those red blood cells glued together. And when they’re glued together, they can’t move through capillaries, because in large arteries, clumps of blood can move through, because they are large enough. But when they come to small branches and capillaries, red blood cells travel through capillaries single file, one at a time! So if they are clumped together then capillaries don’t get fed enough blood and oxygen and nutrients that travel on those red blood cells. And we end up having compromised systems in the body that are fed only by capillaries, and those would include the eyes and the ears, and parts of the brain, and the periphery of the body, out near the fingers and the toes. So, from day one if you’re aware of that with a child, you can introduce the fruits and vegetables from the beginning that are compatible, and the formula that works for the blood type. And when that happens they’ll have fewer allergies, they’ll get sick less of the time, because their immune system isn’t being taxed. And they’ll be generally healthier babies.

History of the Blood Type Diet

Ashley: That’s incredible. The body is so incredible!

Melinda: It is, and it’s such an easy thing to start with. You know the American Medical Association is still mocking and making fun of and putting down the blood type diet, and saying there’s no science behind it. But in reality, there is. Dr. Peter D’Adamo has done years of research up at Bastyr University, which is the supreme Naturopathic Medical School in this country. They are funded by the National Institute of Alternative Medicine and his father was a chiropractor who went over to Germany and studied Naturopathic Medicine and was introduced to Blood Type Diet when he was in Germany years and years ago. He brought the research back to America, the German’s got it back from the Japanese. It’s a 200-year old piece of information that moved from Japan into Germany, and then finally made it’s way into the US. And Peter D’Adamo decided to take his dad’s clinical research and turn it into his Master’s thesis and write a book and do excellent research up at Bastyr. And I actually had the blessing and the opportunity to study personally with him in 1996 when he spoke at the American College for the Advancement of Medicine. I sat in on his first class, and at that time I had a clinic with an Oncologist and we started introducing that diet to women who had Auto Immune conditions and they just responded immediately. I went on the diet and gained weight and mainly because I am an A blood type and I didn’t factor in my allergy foods and began to eat wheat and dairy, which were things that were compatible with A Blood Type, and I assumed it wouldn’t matter if I had had those allergies, but I did learn that you cannot ignore your allergies. If you have allergies, and your blood type says this food is okay, you can’t eat it! You really do have to add other factors in. So, when we do a hair analysis, we factor in the metabolic type, the blood type and then we do allergy testing and factor in allergies and then you have the perfect plan.

Ashley: How do you do an allergy testing?

Melinda: Well, there are several ways you can do it. I was originally trained to do it through bio testing and muscle testing and kinesiology, which was very time-consuming and cumbersome. And had a lot of false-positives, because if I was in a less than balanced mood when I did the testing, I often could pull up things that I needed instead of what the client needed, so I sort of moved away from muscle testing and moved into blood and saliva testing. So, I send out saliva test in young children to test for peptides and saliva, immuglobulins against wheat, dairy, soy and eggs. Then I request blood testing for IGE, which are true i mediated allergies and IGG, which are delayed allergies. And then, as you know, the allopathic community uses scratch testing which is very unreliable, because all it looks for is allergies that are reactive to the immunoglobulin on the skin which are secretary IGA’s. And we actually have 5-6 different kinds of immunoglobulin, and certain ones can be found on the skin, those are the IGAs, certain ones can be found in the saliva and those are mostly the peptide allergens. And then some have to be looked at in the blood. So, you really have to be willing to do several rounds of testing to get accurate and comprehensive results. I personally don’t like scratch-testing for kids, I think it’s cruel, but if a child has got anaphylaxis, where they’ve got to go into…their air passage is closing up, then it’s important to go ahead and have that testing done. But if they don’t have anaphylaxis, then you start with saliva testing, then you move into blood testing. I also have some equipment here that uses potential biofeedback for testing, but we can’t cal it allergy testing, we just call it reactivity testing. And with that particular testing, which I feel is the most accurate of all, it will bring up everything you are reactive to, whether it’s an intolerance, a sensitivity, an allergy or a blood type incompatibility. And then we can develop what I call an elimination and rotation diet with homeopathy that will allow a person to eventually to occasionally eat anything, but learn how to manage their health, by rotating the foods that they react to.

Ashley: That’s so interesting, I had a quick question that I thought of while you were saying that. With pregnant women, a lot of times they might have a different blood type than their baby, so does that effect them during pregnancy? Because you don’t really know your baby’s blood type.

Melinda: Well, you don’t know your baby’s blood type. In the olden days, when a mom had Rh + or – and they were concerned that the baby’s blood was not compatible, they did things that they don’t necessarily do today. But, I had a child that was referred to me by a medical doctor when the baby was 3 weeks old, a failure to thrive baby, they couldn’t figure out: he would not nurse, he would not take a bottle and the mom and the doctor wear panicky because the baby wasn’t eating and they were worried they were going to have to put him on a feeding tube. And he came into me and I tested the mother’s blood type and I tested the baby’s blood type and discovered quickly that the baby was an O, the mother and A, and the baby was allergic to the nipples on the bottles. So, we put the baby on the goat’s milk formula, got a different nipple because she was using a latex nipple and immediately everything was fine! But prior to knowing what those allergies were, he was rejecting the latex nipples and he was rejecting her milk because she was eating a lot of wheat and dairy and he was probably getting colic from it, which would just naturally reject something that didn’t feel good!

Ashley: Right! I don’t want the thing that makes me sick! So that’s just fascinating. So start with the blood type, then go with the allergies, and that’s the best place to start.

Melinda: And then you always want to make sure that your baby doesn’t have any thrush, because when your baby comes through the birth canal the first exposure they have to yeast is in the birth canal and oftentimes they’ll pick up a yeast infection from the mother and develop diaper rashes and thrust, just from having a lot of yeast. So, that’s another thing. There are so many things that medical doctors, or pediatricians don’t talk to moms about that Naturopaths are trained in, and we are trained differently. We address all of those things, and we can tell just by looking at a mom’s tongue or a baby’s tongue how much yeast is present and then address the yeast homeopathically so they aren’t getting a lot of diaper rashes.

Ashley: I’m just in awe of your work! Are you in awe of your work every day?

Melinda: I love what I do! I just love it!

Ashley: That is just beautiful. So, you said you work a lot with children, like the children who come in experiencing difficulties with learning or eating, and then what else?

Melinda: Well, I get a lot of kids with allergies, a lot of kids with Autism and ADHD. I get a lot of kids with things that nobody can figure out what’s wrong because they are getting sick or ear infections all the time and most of those kids develop sensory-processing disorders. So, I’m just a real good detective. What I usually love is the mom that comes in and says, “oh my god, we’ve been to 5 specialist and nobody’s been able to find anything wrong!” And then I’ll do some testing and we’ll discover that there’s an auditory processing disorder that developed because of chronic ear infections, that developed because of dairy allergies that caused chronic mucus and that’s so exciting to just help mom’s to unravel and find all these different, well to put the puzzle together. And then just watch these children! I had one mom bring me these 2 children, they were 8 and 9 when she brought them in and were both about 20-30 pounds overweight and very lethargic. They would practically fall asleep every time I did counseling or therapy with them. And I requested that we get allergy testing done, and we got the allergy testing done, and they were allergic to all the foods they craved, which we call Allergy Addiction Syndrome, which is very common. Then after getting them off their allergy foods and their behavior changing dramatically, I started working with the little girl and she was having reading disabilities and she would be sitting at the table falling asleep! So, I asked the mom if we could check her thyroid and we did check her thyroid and we found out she was hypothyroid and we got her on, believe it or not at 8 years of age, onto some thyroid medication, natural medication. And all of sudden she was staying awake and she lost 15 –20 pounds and she started learning to read and it was just… the mom wrote me an 8 page thank you letter, and that’s the excitement and the joy because she said, “I could have taken this child to Sylvan Learning Center, or the Huntington Learning Centers or had her in and out of special ed for life and no one could have found that she was hypothyroid and allergic to all these foods.” She said, “You’ve just changed our family’s life and we are so grateful for that.” And that’s what keeps me doing what I do, because you change people’s lives when you find things that regular doctors totally ignore.

Ashley: Which is so interesting, I mean what is it that we’re not encouraging these doctors to look into this? You know? Why would we build our society like this?

Melinda: Exactly.

Ashley: What did we do?

Melinda: I don’t know, you know doctors were originally taught by the Hippocratic Oath, which was first: do no harm and let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food. And I believe the pharmaceutical companies are what destroyed that.

Ashley: That’s really fascinating, because there are some doctor’s with really good intentions, and yet…it’s all pointed towards drugs and…

Melinda: With how they were trained.

Ashley: Like this is going to fix it, and then there are 20 other symptoms.

Melinda: Right, I believe with all my heart that doctors do what they are trained to do and they believe that they are doing what’s best. They just don’t know about the alternatives because they are not being trained in alternatives at medical school.

Ashley: That’s… well, it needs to change. Hopefully we’re moving to where a lot of cross work is starting to be just seen in results. Doctor’s are saying, “well, what made that change?” And then the patients say, well this is what happened… So, I think more of this is going to be happening and change is going to happen that way.

Melinda: Uh, huh. And there are a few doctors that are starting to care and become informed in the biomedical approach, which is at least looking at what we call specialty labs and finding things like Candida, celiac and things like allergies. They are all moving in that direction, it’s just very, very slow because insurance won’t pay for it. They don’t want to do anything that’s not covered by insurance and I really feel like it’s not going to stop until this insurance thing is exposed and stopped. Because it’s really become sort of like this collusion between the insurance providers and the American Medical Association, the CDC, the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies, because it’s a system that’s made a lot of people very, very wealthy. And it did serve a purpose at one point. We did not have medical schools, we did not have reliable methods of regulating medicine, and that needed to happen, but it’s a system that is now worn out and broken. It was perfect in the beginning, it served its purpose, and now that’s purpose has expired and it’s just not, it’s time for change.

Ashley: I just watched the documentary Sicko for the first time, and I thought it was so interesting. But anyways, tell me a little bit more, because I know you work a lot with Autism, so tell me more about autism and vaccines.

Melinda: Well, autism is becoming an epidemic, when I first started in this work in 1990 we didn’t even know what autism was. It wasn’t being diagnosed and at that time a pediatrician in town started referring me kids and saying, we’re really not sure what this child has, maybe you can help us figure it out. And a few people back did then have a diagnosis of autism, but very few. And we’ve watched it evolve, thanks to the Autism Society Dr. Rimland who really did a lot of research and started conferences called Defeat Autism Now Conferences; not only educating Health Practitioners but also funding a lot of research. And the things that we have learned is first of all it’s spreading so rapidly and the numbers of children being diagnosed is now 1 in every 160, whereas 10 years ago it might have been 1 in 10,000.

Ashley: That’s incredible!

Melinda: It is incredible. Very frightening and it’s a sad thing that it took this kind of epidemic to get research dollars allocated to autism, but because it is growing so rapidly now they cannot ignore it anymore and we are certainly seeing a lot more research being done. No one can seem to agree on the causes, we know there are genetic links. Mothers will insist, and most of us health practitioners, and most of the people that have joined the Defeat Autism Now conferences will agree that it appears to be linked to vaccines. But there is no absolute: this is the single cause. It appears to be a multitude of causes and I am convinced, again, there is no proof, but I am convinced that it links to the 83,000 chemicals that have been dumped into our air, food and water since WWII, the increase in vaccines. When I was a child we had 1-2 vaccines: a small pox and a polio, where today children have 20 vaccines, or up to 30 vaccines by the time they start kindergarten. On top of that those vaccines are full of formaldehyde, mercury and all kinds of preservatives because as the vaccines have been compounded: meaning instead of just giving a single Polio dose they are giving a MMR or a DPT vaccines all at the same time, they are having to find better ways to preserve them and combine them. And those are some of the toxins that are being heaped into a newborn’s body and with all the plastics and all the phenols and all of the things in our world today, coupled with fast food and boxed foods and preserved foods and radiated foods, I just really feel the human nervous system can no longer adapt as efficiently as it could have in the past without all these assaults. And I think we can’t just stand and point the finger at vaccines only, and I don’t think we can just say it’s genetics because our genetics are triggered by these things that are heaped upon us. So I really think we need to be looking at a combination of everything. And I think once we realize what kind of assaults newborns and young children are trying to defend their nervous systems against, we start to realize the importance of being proactive and making better choices for our families, which would include organic foods, avoiding fast foods, managing stress better and limiting the number of vaccines until they are at least a year old, spreading them out, trying to be more proactive and look at options for antibiotics and just taking a whole new approach, which in my opinion is a proactive, preventative approach because we have so accelerated the assaults, the toxins and the poisons we are exposed to on a daily basis.

Ashley: Right. So, what about I think there are some mothers out there who don’t want to do vaccinations, but they are afraid that if they don’t vaccinate then their baby’s going to get some disease, so how do you deal with that?

Melinda: Well, as I tell every mother who comes to me, if you are not going to feed your baby an organic food, if you are going to run to the pediatrician and get antibiotics every time they get a sniffley nose. If you’re going to give them Motrin and aspirin and cough medicine every time they get a cold, then you need to get them vaccinated, because you’re they’re compromising their health and their immunity by doing all these non-preventative, non-compatible things for the human body and nervous system. But the moms that come to me and say, I cook everything, I only buy organic food, I give my children vitamins, I give them minerals, we have a nice environment that’s not real stressful, then I say to them, let’s just homeopathically do it and lets watch them real closely. And if they start to get something that even looks like they’re going to be exposed to measles or mumps or chicken pox, lets put them on a homeopathic protection program. Is that adequate? Yes it is adequate if that mom is proactive in feeding that child organically and not running to McDonald’s and not giving them antibiotics and cough medicine full of artificial preservatives and colors and stuffing them full of aspirin. But if you have a mom that is under a lot of stress, feeding her child from McDonald’s, feeding her child from a box, giving them sugar-coated colored cereals and macaroni and cheese and pizza’s and hot dogs and chicken mc nuggets and french fries then that child does need to be vaccinated, but they can still wait until they are a year to start those vaccines.

Ashley: And that makes sense because you aren’t nutritionally supporting them or nourishing them even with the relaxation to have a healthy immune system, so they would need vaccines.

Melinda: Exactly.

An Alternative to Vaccines

Ashley: So, when you said, homeopathic protection plan, what does that involve?

Melinda: There are homeopathic childhood immunizations and those are not considered vaccines, but they work very much like a vaccine. If you look at how vaccines are made, they take a small amount of a virus, they dilute it and they inject it back into the child in a dilute form so the immune system isn’t overpowered by that virus and can mount a defense against it and that we call vaccines. And basically what homeopathy does is very similar, it will take something like a virus or a bacteria, say strep for example, or measles and it will put it into a tincture form typically using alcohol to preserve that tincture. And then it will begin to dilute and shake or secus, and dilute or shake or secus. And that is a process that creates a 200-year old medical system called homeopathy that originated over in Germany by a medical doctor. Who developed it and what we have discovered is that the very, very dilute form of anything transfers the energetic signature or what we could call basically a photograph of the original virus ends up in what looks like just pure water. But, for years they tried to bring lawsuits against homeopathy and claim it was false advertising, but they never could do that because basically it took electron microscopes to see that there was a change occurring in the water, even though they couldn’t find even one molecule of the original virus or the original bacteria, they did see through electron microscopy there were changes in the water and it was testable. They’ve done incredible published research over in Germany and England on homeopathy and they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it has a similar effect, but nobody’s ever been able to completely explain it. And now as we are being able to develop much more sensitive research equipment and technology, we’re beginning to show that something does occur in the water and that water is capable of carrying the memory of whatever was originally placed into it. And that research was made really popular in the last few years by a doctor from Japan who was working with water under a microscope and found that you could imprint water with anything, even the vibration of a word. And his work has been made very, very popular on the internet and he’s done a lot of publishing and they’ve linked it now to homeopathy, because he showed with his research that the surface tension of the water was changed and these beautiful crystaling snowflake patterns appear in the water after it’s been secussed and diluted with the original pictures. And the effects of the water are curative. So we could say we’re just curing with water or a placebo effect, but regardless, we’re now able to demonstrate that some change is occurring in that water and that the water is holding the memory of whatever was originally put into it. And with homeopathy, it stems from like feeling like, homeo being same. Whereas allopathy is the opposite, when you look at the Greek and the early stems, where the word stems homeo meaning like feeling like. So, it’s a fascinating system, I was trained as a classical homeopath when I went to school to become a Naturopath. And now that has evolved, just like any system evolves into complex homeopathy, which works with many, many different things added into one tincture. So, instead of just having one classic homeopath, which may be from measles, you now might have a combination remedy which has measles, mumps, chicken pox, tetanus and strep, all in one bottle.

Ashley: So, are you saying they put all that in water and it’s like something you drink, or what?

Melinda: Well, we put drops under the tongue, or with babies we rub it down their spine, or in their belly button and let their skin absorb it.

Ashley: I know of vaccines, but I've never heard of that! That’s incredible.

Melinda: It’s phenomenal, the things I’ve seen happen with homeopathy are absolutely miraculous and my children were all homeopathically vaccinated, they never had any “vaccines”. None of my grandchildren have been vaccinated and none of them have ever had any disease, disorder or disease. I know when my daughter went in to give birth and they gave her a blood test in the hospital, they came back and said, “oh my god we got to vaccinate you, you’ve never had a vaccine for measles!” And she said, “no you are not going to vaccinate me.” And they said, “well you have too! You’re having a baby.” And she said, “well, I’m sorry, but I don’t believe in vaccines.” And the doctors were just appalled that she’d never been vaccinated and she became an anomaly in the hospital. The nurses were coming up and saying, “well, have you ever had measles or mumps? Or chicken pox?” And she said, “never” And it was like, how could this be? Well, I used homeopathy, my mother was a Naturopath, and they were just like, well, I don’t see how that could work! Well, you don’t have to see how it works, it does!

Ashley: I’ve never heard of that, so do you recommend if you don’t vaccinate, you definitely recommend homeopathic vaccination, or do you think it depends on a case-by-case basis?

Melinda: It’s case-by-case. I only offer homeopathic vaccinations to moms who are very proactive and are raising organic families. Are cooking or buying all organic foods from Sprouts, Henry’s or the health food store. And mom’s that are very well informed because I tried the other way, I’ve had some moms come in that wanted to do integrated approaches and were using both their medical doctor and me as a naturopath. And what I found is that they’d come in and get homeopathic for something like Strep, and then they would go to their doctor and maybe the doctor wasn’t one that was familiar with my work, and the doctor would freak out and say: oh my god, I could turn you into child protective services, you’re child has strep throat and you’re not giving them antibiotics! Do you know how dangerous that is? And then that would scare the mother!

Ashley: Okay.

Melinda: So, it’s really a case-by-case basis. If mom is high-anxiety and she is not extremely well informed and reading a lot, I absolutely would not recommend she do a homeopathic approach, but that she vaccinate.

Ashley: Okay, and do you do the homeopathic approach as a preventative, like you have a schedule, or is this like, you see your baby is starting to get sick and then you do the homeopathic if you didn’t have the vaccinations?

Melinda: It depends. It depends on the mother. I recommend a systematic approach. But, what I’ve also noticed is a lot of parents who are raising their children organically are very well informed and are very proactive and they are doing a lot of research on their own. So, they will generally do a lot of that work themselves, and then they’ll just go to the health food store and they’ll know what to buy, or they’ll call me and say: we’re ready for the childhood vaccines, can I come by and pick it up. I do have to stress that most of the parents that I work with who are going all natural with vaccines are very well informed, and very well-read. And there are some very important books out there that need to be read before going all homeopathic and probably the single most-important one is Evidence of Harm which was written by two journalists and exposes all of the vaccines scandals that have occurred so I recommend if a mom is going to go that way that they start by reading that book.

Ashley: Any other books you’d like to recommend?

Melinda: Well, one of my favorites, you know you have your favorites when you raised kids and your grandchildren, and you like to refer. I most like all of Dr. Cook’s books, I just think they are absolutely wonderful and he writes them for moms to understand and they are easy to read. There’s another great one called, Eat Right for Your Baby, which is by Peter D’Adamo, that’s on the blood type diet and raising children on the blood type diet. I think it’s different for each mom what I recommend, but there’s a great book Nurture by Nature that I’ve always encouraged moms to read. And when it comes to just managing a child naturopathically, I’ve always like a book by Lindon Smith, he wrote a book Feed Your Body Right, but Lindon Smith was my pediatrician when I was a baby up in Oregon, and he is still well-known for the work he’s done educating mothers about raising healthy, organic children. So, I always tell people to read his stuff! You know every mom’s a little different. I have a lot of moms that love to read and a lot of moms that tell me reading is so yuck! So, I encourage them, if they are going to become informed and don’t want to vaccinate, I will encourage them to become informed about vaccines. And they can do that online, there are a lot of things online. One of my absolute favorite books for XX, is Children With Starving Brains, because I just really convinced that so many kids that come in today with ADD or behavioral disorders are really afflicted with a starving brain because they’ve been raised on junk food.

Ashley: Right. That’s really interesting and sounds like a good book.

Melinda: Yeah. It’s great, if I wrote a book, it would be that one!

Ashley: You’re like: my book’s already out there!

Melinda: Yeah! I don’t need to write a book, it’s already there, I just need to refer people to them.

Ashley: Well, you did and you are! So, Melinda, is there anything else that we haven’t covered that you really just want moms to know?

Melinda: Just get your kids drinking water! You know I see so many kids where the moms say, they don’t drink water they just drink juice, and I just cringe because I’m seeing so many more and more children at the age of 8 & 10 who are carbohydrate-addicted and living off of sodas and fruit juice and milk. And those things are so unhealthy, just from the standpoint of this simple piece of advice: start your baby on water at an early age, teach them to love water. Offer them water whenever they ask for something to drink and if you are going to branch out from water at least dilute the fruit juice with 50% filtered water. And then learn about herbal teas. My kids grew up on herbal teas and they absolutely still just love them. And they are absolutely so easy to make a hibiscus cooler or a cranberry fizz. And these kids, if you start them young, they love this stuff! Don’t give them sodas! Sodas are probably the single worst thing kids are drinking and it’s just shocking that moms are still doing that.

Ashley: That is shocking. One more question that just popped in my mind, with the blood test; I think there’s a blood type book, did you already say it?

Melinda: I did mention the one for babies, but there are several. There’s Cook Right for Your Type, Eat Right for Your Type, and then his new Genome Diet for Adults. But the one that’s great for mommies is Eat Right for Your Baby, because it teaches her how to eat while she’s pregnant and then if you want to test your baby right after they’re born, you can get right into the blood type diet when your child is born, and get them going right.

Ashley: Okay, and I assume your breast milk has everything that it needs to for a baby that’s blood type is different.

Melinda: Yes and no. I think I mentioned to you one mom that was referred to me that was, her baby was rejecting her milk because she was eating a lot of wheat and dairy and the baby was an O and very allergic to dairy and wheat, and would not take her breast milk. So, typically speaking, yes a baby should be compatible, but obviously your diet has everything to do with what your body is making as milk. That’s why I love the book Eat Right for Your Baby, because while you’re making a baby and breastfeeding a baby, your diet is very important.

Ashley: Right, it is. Do you have any, for supplements, is there anything that everybody goes on, or is it pretty much individualized.

Melinda: No there is one thing that I put everyone on and that’s essential fatty acids. Babies need DHAs to develop a healthy brain from the minute they are born, and some formulas have DHAs added to the formula, but baby’s still need more. I think we could prevent a lot of learning disabilities if every baby was getting their cod liver oil every day!

Ashley: They’re cod liver oil?

Melinda: Yeah! So, I encourage the moms to do that: the cod liver oil, and the EFA-DHA, every day from the time they’re born till the day they die.

Ashley: And what about the folic acid?

Melinda: Well, mothers while they are pregnant are given at least 400 mg of folic acid to prevent spina bifida, and it’s a B vitamin that seems to be pretty abundant in grains and foods that we eat, but just as a prevention moms prenatal vitamin gives more calcium, less vitamin A which can be toxic to the baby’s brain and more folic acid which is the B vitamin that helps the spine develop correctly.

Ashley: Okay! Well, thank you so much Melinda. I’ve learned a whole lot on healthy kids and adults!

Melinda: Well good, thank you for interviewing me.

Ashley: I’m going to go read about my blood type again, I did it years ago, but I didn’t realize the importance of it!

Melinda: Yeah, it really is important!

Ashley: That’s great. Well, I was needing to talk to you, so thank you so much! I appreciate it.

Melinda: You’re welcome.